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Greens senator concerned by documents detailing meetings between AFP commissioner and PwC partner Mick Fuller when PwC was bidding for work. Follow the latest updates live

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Thu 22 Jun 2023 12.52 AESTFirst published on Thu 22 Jun 2023 06.35 AEST
Greens senator David Shoebridge.
Greens senator David Shoebridge. Photograph: Mike Bowers/The Guardian
Greens senator David Shoebridge. Photograph: Mike Bowers/The Guardian

Greens' David Shoebridge targets PwC in parliament over alleged 'unminuted meeting' with federal police commissioner

Paul Karp
Paul Karp

The Greens senator, David Shoebridge, in the Senate on Wednesday targeted PwC over documents that give an insight into the process by which it won a contract with the Australian federal police.

This follows revelations in Senate estimates that AFP commissioner Reece Kershaw had a text exchange with his friend PwC partner and former NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller about the referral of the PwC leak to the AFP.

Two text exchanges were produced:

  • 14 July, 2022 (while PwC was bidding for work). Mick Fuller: “Think I’m booked in to see you with Pwc in a few weeks. Will call you before if okay.” To which commissioner Kershaw replied: “Good plan”

  • 24 May 2023, the day of Treasury’s referral to the AFP. Fuller: “Just saw news re referral. Will give you some space so not too complicate your life.” To which the commissioner replied: “Ok thx mate”

Shoebridge was concerned by documents detailing meetings between the pair when PwC was bidding for work.

He told the Senate:

We now know from the documents that have been produced that Commissioner Kershaw actually attended a meeting on 28 July 2022 with his mate Mick Fuller. It was described as: An introductory meeting to outline the identified need to undertake a comprehensive independent review of the AFP’s delivery of policing services to the ACT government— And, get this— This informed PwC’s consideration of whether they had the capability to undertake the work and would submit a formal quote. The meeting, of course, was not minuted. So two mates get together—one the AFP Commissioner, the other a former New South Wales Police Commissioner, now a senior partner in government relations at PwC—in an unminuted meeting to work out how PwC can get money from the AFP, to cobble together the best possible way that PwC can make money off the AFP. There was no tender and no public discussion. It was just two mates, some other partners from PwC and the chief operating officer from the AFP coming together to work out how they can give PwC more money and also, at significant public expense, to try and reshape the future of the Australian Federal Police operations in the ACT.

The reference in the documents to submitting a quote do not necessarily support the allegation that the pair aimed to “work out how PwC can get money from the AFP”, which was made under parliamentary privilege. Guardian Australia does not suggest any wrongdoing in the way the contract was awarded.

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Greens' David Shoebridge targets PwC in parliament over alleged 'unminuted meeting' with federal police commissioner

Paul Karp
Paul Karp

The Greens senator, David Shoebridge, in the Senate on Wednesday targeted PwC over documents that give an insight into the process by which it won a contract with the Australian federal police.

This follows revelations in Senate estimates that AFP commissioner Reece Kershaw had a text exchange with his friend PwC partner and former NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller about the referral of the PwC leak to the AFP.

Two text exchanges were produced:

  • 14 July, 2022 (while PwC was bidding for work). Mick Fuller: “Think I’m booked in to see you with Pwc in a few weeks. Will call you before if okay.” To which commissioner Kershaw replied: “Good plan”

  • 24 May 2023, the day of Treasury’s referral to the AFP. Fuller: “Just saw news re referral. Will give you some space so not too complicate your life.” To which the commissioner replied: “Ok thx mate”

Shoebridge was concerned by documents detailing meetings between the pair when PwC was bidding for work.

He told the Senate:

We now know from the documents that have been produced that Commissioner Kershaw actually attended a meeting on 28 July 2022 with his mate Mick Fuller. It was described as: An introductory meeting to outline the identified need to undertake a comprehensive independent review of the AFP’s delivery of policing services to the ACT government— And, get this— This informed PwC’s consideration of whether they had the capability to undertake the work and would submit a formal quote. The meeting, of course, was not minuted. So two mates get together—one the AFP Commissioner, the other a former New South Wales Police Commissioner, now a senior partner in government relations at PwC—in an unminuted meeting to work out how PwC can get money from the AFP, to cobble together the best possible way that PwC can make money off the AFP. There was no tender and no public discussion. It was just two mates, some other partners from PwC and the chief operating officer from the AFP coming together to work out how they can give PwC more money and also, at significant public expense, to try and reshape the future of the Australian Federal Police operations in the ACT.

The reference in the documents to submitting a quote do not necessarily support the allegation that the pair aimed to “work out how PwC can get money from the AFP”, which was made under parliamentary privilege. Guardian Australia does not suggest any wrongdoing in the way the contract was awarded.

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Richard Boyle’s appeal will be heard in the supreme court. Photograph: Kelly Barnes/AAP

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Kylea Tink in parliament
Kylea Tink in parliament. Photograph: Lukas Coch/AAP

Tink wrote to Dick asking he “provide the Chamber with a full and complete update on the progress of cultural change, including reiterating the endorsement of the ‘behaviour standards and codes’”:

Standards and codes are only as effective as the people who uphold them. The behaviour and revelations of the past week show we have a long way to go to change the culture of this place. But we must …

We all have a responsibility to display exemplary individual leadership and a role to play to set the standard for an inclusive, respectful, and professional workplace here in Parliament House and across Australia. I call on you to recommit the Parliament to positive change.

Dick responded in a letter of his own:

As you would appreciate, the events of last week are of keen interest to me, adding as they do to my ongoing concerns about unacceptable behaviour in our workplace.

It is my intention to make a statement in the Chamber before the House rises on Thursday, to remind Members of our shared responsibility in relation to developing a safe and respectful culture in Parliament House.

I will refer to some general aspects such as the language and volume of debate, as well as courtesy and respectful behaviours during proceedings.

I will incorporate appropriate references to the resolution of the House endorsing the draft behaviour standards and code for Parliamentarians and reinforce the guidance the standards and code provide to Members.

Dick said he would ask members to consider on what contribution they are making “to achieving this” and to “genuinely reflect on their own behaviour”. By that he means the heckles during debate and question time, but it seems as though Tink was asking more broadly, given what some of the “debates” have covered lately.

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